But why do we concede that? All I'm saying is that we should consider this as a moral and ethical proposition, as well as a legal one. Before we get to the legalities of any of that, I would like people to focus on the fact that we have a former President of the United States who refuses to turn over information that he has about a violent insurrection against the union and an attempted political coup - and that's just an extraordinary thing, but everyone walks around assuming that, of course, Donald Trump won't cooperate in an investigation. The media has hurried to get to the question of subpoenas, and contempt of Congress and how to coerce compliance. Could you explain how strong of a case the committee would have in enforcing a subpoena if a member of Congress refused to comply? You were a constitutional law professor earlier in your career. But for some reason, that was the thing that struck me hard. I know I saw a lot more bloody things that day, far more extreme situations. And now I was getting the message from my daughter that my workplace was a danger. You know, I had always wanted to involve my kids in my political career and have them get to know my colleagues, and I've always just wanted them to be excited about government. She was essentially telling me that my chosen career path and engagement in politics had become a negative thing in our lives. When Tabitha said that, it was shocking and dismaying to me. What was going through your mind at that point, and how do you make sense of it now after writing the book? Could take me back to the first moments you had to yourself on the night of the insurrection, particularly after your daughter told you she never wanted to come back to the Capitol again after witnessing that day first-hand.
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